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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #15 on: 29 November 2012, 08:40:36 »
Članek 9 Steps to Initiating an Out-of-Body Experience
bi se kar strinjal s točko 6.   ... and lie on your back...

Jaz ko spim trdno vedno spim na trebuhu(dobro izhodišče za lepe sanje, včasih tudi LD).
Ko sem pa ležal na hrbtu je bilo na splošno bolj živahno za kakšne nove izkušnje, kaki trzljaji, paralize in občutki OBE, potovanja v delčku sekunde...

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #16 on: 29 November 2012, 08:42:55 »
Sicer je lahko povezano tudi s tem, da na hrbtu težje zaspim in da iz tega izhodišča ko tonem v spanec ne morem tako na hitro preit noter(v sanje).

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #17 on: 29 November 2012, 13:22:36 »
bi se kar strinjal s točko 6.   ... and lie on your back...

Jaz ko spim trdno vedno spim na trebuhu(dobro izhodišče za lepe sanje, včasih tudi LD).
Ko sem pa ležal na hrbtu je bilo na splošno bolj živahno za kakšne nove izkušnje, kaki trzljaji, paralize in občutki OBE, potovanja v delčku sekunde...

Tudi pri meni je spanje na hrbtu pogosto izhodišče za razne nenavadnosti, največkrat pa kljub vsemu rezultira vsaj s FA, če že ne z LD. :)

Sicer je lahko povezano tudi s tem, da na hrbtu težje zaspim in da iz tega izhodišča ko tonem v spanec ne morem tako na hitro preit noter(v sanje).

Po mojem gre za stvar navade. Jaz namreč že nekaj časa brez problema (za)spim na hrbru (zadnje čase sicer največkrat v pol-ležečem/pol-sedečem položaju, ampak vseeno). Je pa res, da je od začetka precej dolgo trajalo, preden sem se navadil; sploh zaspat v takem položaju (prvi spalni cikel je živa je*ba, po WBTB je bistveno lažje).


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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #18 on: 29 November 2012, 14:40:04 »
Jaz pa na hrbtu takooooooooooooo težko zaspim. Skoraj da ni šans. Se mi pa če že poskušam zgodi nekaj zanimivega, in sicer: Včasih se grem eno tako sproščanje, da bi lažje zaspala. Začnem pri prstih na nogah in jim rečem naj izginjejo, jih potem ne čutim več in to ponavljam do glave. Nekako ozavestim del telesa in potem puf, izgine. Potem, ko tako "izginem" sem v nekakšnem "odklopljenjem" stanju. Telesa torej ne čutim. Lepo se umirim, čutim ko da lebdim. In potem se vse zavrti. Ko da bi me potegnilo v vrtinec. No v tistem vrtincu me pol zarad lastnega dihanja ven vrže, ker se mi ne vem nekako ustavi pa to zaznam in me panika zgrabi.

Me zanima, če gre tu skoraj za prehod v sanje? Al OBE?

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #19 on: 29 November 2012, 15:27:50 »
Če te potegne v sanje ponavadi vidiš kake sanjske prizore, se prične neka zgodba odvijat.
Jaz bi prej rekel da doživljaš OBE.

Nekaj podobnega sem jaz doživel nedolgo tega, ko sem si pred spanjem delal vajo za reiki in sem po koncu tam ležal in v nekem trenutku sem občutil kot da sem nad seboj in delam počasno salto v zraku, podobno kot če bi bil v vodi. Najbolj zanimiv pa je bil občutek gravitacije ki sem jo pri tem čutil. To je trajalo približno kakšni 2 sekundi.

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #20 on: 29 November 2012, 16:28:15 »
... Včasih se grem eno tako sproščanje, da bi lažje zaspala. Začnem pri prstih na nogah in jim rečem naj izginjejo, jih potem ne čutim več in to ponavljam do glave. Nekako ozavestim del telesa in potem puf, izgine. Potem, ko tako "izginem" sem v nekakšnem "odklopljenjem" stanju. Telesa torej ne čutim. Lepo se umirim, čutim ko da lebdim. In potem se vse zavrti. Ko da bi me potegnilo v vrtinec. ...

Super tehnika, zaspanka! :thumbsup: A ta občutek, kot da te potegne v vrtinec, doživiš vsakič, ko ko izvajaš?

... No v tistem vrtincu me pol zarad lastnega dihanja ven vrže, ker se mi ne vem nekako ustavi pa to zaznam in me panika zgrabi.

Kaj se ti ustavi? Dihanje?
 
Me zanima, če gre tu skoraj za prehod v sanje? Al OBE?

V vsakem primeru gre za prehod. Kot je rekel Primož, je možno, da gre za OBE, možno je pa tudi, da se znajdeš v praznini tik preden začnejo nastajat sanje.

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #21 on: 29 November 2012, 19:44:45 »
No v tistem vrtincu me pol zarad lastnega dihanja ven vrže, ker se mi ne vem nekako ustavi pa to zaznam in me panika zgrabi.

Sem imel situacijo, ko sem mislil, da sem v zadnji fazi za izhod. Potem opazim, da še kar diham... In potem si na začetku... :D

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #22 on: 29 November 2012, 19:52:45 »
Super tehnika, zaspanka! :thumbsup: A ta občutek, kot da te potegne v vrtinec, doživiš vsakič, ko ko izvajaš?

Ja, vglavnem se vedno zgodi. Prepustim se temu niču in kot da plovem. Pa pride kar naenkrat do tega, da me potegne v vrtinec. Prav fizično čutim, kot da me vrti v neki spirali.
In tu se potem zgodi, da me malo panika zgrabi ali nekaj takega. Preveč sem pozorna na dihanje in ne znam spontano zadihat. se zazdi, da se mi potem v nekem memntu dih kar ustavi. in to mi vedno prekine nadaljevanje. vrtinec se potem umiri in ustavi.
do podobnega vrtenja sem prišla tudi že s pomočjo poslušanja binavralnih bitov al pa če se mi ljubi dost dolgo se meditacijo it.
aja, pa v glavi ob vrtincu zaslišim šum. ššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššš.

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #23 on: 16 December 2012, 11:51:36 »
zadnjič sva imela s sašotom klepet na moje prakticiranje.
me je spodbudil da tale drobec objavim.

ponavadi ko sem prakticirala izventelesnost, sem si pokrila oči s črno majčko, pač z nečim temnim.
nazadnje sem imela ob vzglavniku le belo majčko in ale na delo.
pride do zanimivega efekta.

ko bo kdo poskusil se malo pohecamo na to temo ;)

zaspanka, težave z dihanjem so prehodne faze. fokusiraj se na nadaljne korake. prični ozaveščat svoje subtilno telo in se poskusi dvignit. malo trme in vztrajnosti te bo pripeljalo do rezultata.
odvrni pozornost od težave z dihanjem. gre za okrepljeno notranjo zaznavo in od zaznavanja zoka, se lahko premakneš na notranje vizualno polje. tako sem jaz reževala tole zanko... :)

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #24 on: 19 December 2012, 00:18:46 »
bom poskusila, nekako nikoli nisem prišla dlje od tega vrtenja. vedno sem zavestno nekako navzven obrnjena. skozi zaprte oči zaznavam okolje v neko širino. nikoli se pa nisem zazrla navznoter.

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #25 on: 19 December 2012, 09:31:51 »
v bistvu gre samo za potek...lahko bi namreč šla tudi iz navzven v navznot, ampak ne bi zdej šla predaleč glede na to, da imaš željo nekam prit ;) to je stvar debate, tudi kar se tiče tega, da se reče izven-telesnost...glede na to da okrepljeno zaznavaš dihanje se pač moraš premaknit iz navznot-ven.
sicer pa je "normalno", da se ti zatakne pri dihanju. naša zavest je nekako pogojena s to funkcijo, seveda tudi obstoj kot tak in možgani potrebujejo močan impulz, da se premakne ta fiksnost, poleg tega je dihanje avtomatizem, ki se ga pa sicer da tudi malo bolj ozavestit ter celo spreminjat. če se rada igraš, je dihanje pravzaprav lahko triger za izventelesnost-ko namreč dih upočasniš med tem ko se sproščaš, si lahko daš namero, da z enim vdihom in izdihom napraviš premik. kaj praviš? vdih not, izdih ven ! he he

pa še to...opisovala si ničnost, katera je nekako med navzven in navznot (če uporabim zdaj izrazoslovje, ki sovpada z vsem skupaj). lahko bi recimo iz te točke štartala naprej. kar sicer nisem poskusila tako na suho, sem pa raziskovala to točko ko sem vdihnila ene štiri dimčke ektrakta salvie ;)
ta točka je obetavna, nimaš kej. bi rekla tudi ti, da je tam vse in hkrati nič?

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« Reply #26 on: 19 December 2012, 22:05:44 »
hehe vse in hkrati nič ... najbrž je res tako. tam ni še nič, pa je vendarle začetek vsega. vsega kar še nisem videla :D pa še že bom.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #27 on: 20 December 2012, 13:49:01 »
Oddaja Na rubu znanosti: Anthony Peake - Izvantjelesno Iskustvo

EDIT: Mindblowing. Se ga splača pogledat. :thumbsup:

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Re: Astralna projekcija
« Reply #28 on: 01 April 2013, 15:31:11 »
10 Effective Techniques to Experiencing an OBE (Out of Body Experience a.k.a Astral Projection)

1. The Rope Technique

This technique has been formulated by Robert Bruce and is one of the most effective techniques around. A key ingredient to this projection technique is an invisible, imaginary ROPE hanging from your ceiling. This ROPE will be used to exert dynamic pressure at a single point on your astral body to force its separation from the physical.

Reach out with your imaginary HANDS and pull yourself, hand over hand, up the strong, invisible, imaginary ROPE hanging above you. You will feel a slight dizzy sensation inside you as you do this. This feeling of vertigo will intensify the more you pull on the rope.

Keep climbing, hand over hand, ever upwards, and you will feel the vibrations start. Your whole body will seem to be vibrating and you will feel paralyzed. Concentrate single minded, on climbing your rope. Don't stop.

Next you will feel yourself coming free of your body. You will exit your body in the direction of your imaginary ROPE and will be hovering above your body. You're free at last!


2. Watch yourself going to sleep

Lie down comfortably on your back, facing the ceiling. Relax your body and clear your mind of unwanted thoughts. Relax even more.

Tell yourself that you are going to watch yourself in the act of going to sleep. You must be very clear about your intent. You're going to let your body sleep while your mind will remain alert throughout the entire process. Tell yourself you will retain consciousness even while your body is going to be in complete "trance".

As you relax completely, you must learn to recognize the rather strange, distinctive sensations you feel as your body moves into the sleep state. You MUST stay aware as this unfolds. At a certain point, you will feel that your body is feeling heavy and numb.

You are on the right track! Pay close attention to all your bodily sensations. You may feel yourself swaying or floating. You might even find certain parts of your body tingling. There might be vibrations running from your head to toe. You might even hear a strong buzzing sensation in your ears. Whatever the sensations, do not panic as these are very good signals that you are on the verge of experiencing an OBE.

You have to then visualize that you are rising up from your bed and floating towards the ceiling. How would it feel if you could actually float? Try to make the experience as real as possible. Hold this image for as long as you can. If everything goes on well, you might suddenly find yourself outside the body, floating near the ceiling!


3. The Monroe Technique

Robert Monroe, one of the foremost authorities on Astral Projection devised this method.

You have to first relax your body. This is a very important step.

Then try to go to sleep, but don't fall asleep. Maintain your awareness between sleep and wakefulness. This is known as the hypnagogic state. Then deepen this hypnagogic state and start to clear your mind of unwanted thoughts. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of you.

Then you must enter an even deeper state of relaxation. The next step is to induce vibrations throughout your body and intensify them. These vibrations have to be controlled and intensified further. This is the moment when the Astral body will separate from the Physical body. You then simply have to "roll-over" and you will find yourself out of your body.


4. OBE From lucid dreams

Lucid dreams are dreams in which the dreamer is aware that he is dreaming. In a Lucid Dream a person is already "out" of his body.

In order to achieve Astral Projection from Lucid Dreams, you have to first become obsessed with OBEs and you must really DESIRE it. You must read everything you can about it. You must think about it every free moment that you have.

Once your mind is besotted with the thought of OOBEs we will need triggers and affirmations so that you have a Lucid Dream. During the day keep thinking: 'Tonight I'm going to have a Lucid Dream'. Remind yourself of this all day long. And - and this is the important part - keep asking yourself during the day "Am I dreaming now?"

With a few days of practice, you'll have programmed your sub-conscious to induce a Lucid Dream.

Once you are in a Lucid Dream, and know that you are dreaming, you would also know that you are not in your body. You can then will yourself to see your bedroom. In most cases, when you do this, your dreamland will suddenly disappear and you will find yourself in your bedroom, floating above your body.


5. Displaced-awareness technique

Close your eyes and get into your usual trance-state. Try to sense the entire room, at once. Feel yourself just above your shoulders and seeing all around. Be very passive about what is going on.

Then imagine that your Astral Body is slowly rotating by 180 degrees. Once you finish your mental rotation, your astral head should be where your physical feet are, and your astral feet would be where your physical head is! With this firmly in your mind, try visualizing the room from this new direction.

The idea is to forget about where you really are, and displace your sense of direction. When you do this correctly, you will find yourself getting dizzy. This is normal.

When you are comfortable with this, the next step is to imagine floating towards the roof. Try to make it as real as possible. You may suddenly find yourself "popped" out of your physical body!


6. The Jump Technique

The Jump Technique, when done well, can wake up anyone in their dreams and make them Lucid. However, it does need to be done well.

This is how the technique works: We repeatedly need to ask ourselves during the day whether we are in a dream or not. It is important that we do this not just for the sake of asking ourselves the question, but because we really want to know where we are. We should really doubt that we are in the Physical. So in order to prove where we are, we jump as if we were going to fly. If we are in the Physical, we will land back on the ground. But during a dream, when we jump, we will defy gravity and float.

When this is done for a few days, you will soon find yourself in a dream in which you are jumping to check whether you are in a dream or not. As soon as you jump, you will find yourself floating, thus triggering a Lucid Dream and an OOBE.


7. Muldoons Thirst Technique

This is not one of the most pleasant or effective methods designed by Sylvan Muldoon.

In order to use this technique, you must refrain from drinking for some hours before going to bed. Throughout the day increase your thirst by every means you can. Keep a glass of water in front of you and stare into it, imagining drinking, but not allowing yourself to do so!

Then before you sleep, eat a pinch or two of salt. Place the glass of water at some convenient place away from your bed and rehearse in your mind all the actions necessary to getting it: getting up, crossing the room, reaching out for the glass, and so on. You must then go to bed, still thinking about your thirst and the means of quenching it. At night, you might awaken in your dream and you will find yourself walking towards the glass of water. With any luck the suggestions you have made to yourself will bring about the desired OBE.


8. The Stretch Out Technique

Lie down, shut your eyes and relax your body. Imagine your feet stretching out and becoming longer by just an inch or so. Once you have this picture in your mind, let your feet go back to normal. Do the same with his head, stretching it out an inch beyond its normal position. Then, get it back to normal. Then alternate all between head and feet, gradually increasing the distance until you can stretch out both your feet and head to about two feet or more. At this stage imagine stretching out both at once. This exercise will make you feel dizzy and often start the vibrations.

After some practice, you will experience floating sensations and you can then tell yourself to rise up towards the ceiling. You are out!


9. The Hammock Technique

Visualize yourself lying in a bright white hammock, stationed between two palm trees on a secluded beach. Imagine the feeling of swaying in the wind, and recreate that feeling now as you visualize yourself swaying from side to side in the hammock. Repeat this visualization for as long as it takes to bring forth the vibrations, and when you feel the vibrations, just "roll-out" of your body.


10. Do the relaxing thing.
Get to where you can't feel your body.

Repeat this in your head, and focus on it as much as possible. Don't get discouraged!
Say it slow if you have to...

"I am going to have an out of body experience.
I am going to let myself go to sleep, but I am going
to bring this waking consciousness with me wherever
I go. I am going to leave my body with full awareness."

Keep doing the technique even when you feel tired and you feel like rollin over....
roll over and keep doin it.
Just do it until you lose consciousness.
This is for conscious AP.

This technique is in the book Out of Body Adventures by Rick Stack.
A student of Seths.


Whichever technique you choose, you are unlikely to get a result on the very first night, or even on the first few nights - so take your time with them and try not to get frustrated when nothing happens at first. But I promise you will soon start to see some results.


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Re: Astralna projekcija
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